cehe4ka: (tank)
Редко ощущаю движение времени, но сегодня увидел фотку дальней кузины во время присяги в Армию Израиля.

Мало того что я помню её девочкой лет десять назад, так я её хорошо помню как её папа жил у нас дома в самоволке увольнении из подмосковного стройбата.
cehe4ka: (Default)
NOT

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/05/19/obama.israel.palestinians/index.html?hpt=T2

I will just post the headline:

"Obama calls for Israel's return to pre-1967 borders"
cehe4ka: (Default)
NOT

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/05/19/obama.israel.palestinians/index.html?hpt=T2

I will just post the headline:

"Obama calls for Israel's return to pre-1967 borders"
cehe4ka: (Israel)
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/09/21/bill_clinton_russian_immigrants_and_settlers_obstacles_to_mideast_peace

Russian immigrants to Israel have emerged as a central obstacle to achieving a Middle East peace deal, according to former President Bill Clinton. He voiced fears that the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), which increasingly consists of soldiers hailing from this community, might not be fully willing to oppose Israeli settlers as a result.

In a roundtable with reporters during his Clinton Global Initiative conference in New York, Clinton made his most extensive remarks on the Israeli-Palestinian peace process that his wife, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, is spearheading.

"An increasing number of the young people in the IDF are the children of Russians and settlers, the hardest-core people against a division of the land. This presents a staggering problem," Clinton said. "It's a different Israel. 16 percent of Israelis speak Russian."

According to Clinton, the Russian immigrant population in Israel is the group least interested in striking a peace deal with the Palestinians. "They've just got there, it's their country, they've made a commitment to the future there," Clinton said. "They can't imagine any historical or other claims that would justify dividing it."

To illustrate his view on the Russian immigrant community, Clinton related a conversation he had with Natan Sharansky, the former Soviet dissident turned Israeli parliamentarian, who he said was the only Israeli minister to reject the comprehensive peace agreement Clinton proposed at the Camp David Summit in 2000. The proposal was eventually rejected by Palestinian President Yasser Arafat.

"I said, ‘Natan, what is the deal [about not supporting the peace deal],'" Clinton recalled. "He said, ‘I can't vote for this, I'm Russian... I come from one of the biggest countries in the world to one of the smallest. You want me to cut it in half. No, thank you.'"

Clinton responded, "Don't give me this, you came here from a jail cell. It's a lot bigger than your jail cell."

Clinton used the anecdote to explain the Russian immigrant population's attitude toward a land-for- peace deal with the Palestinians. "[Sharansky] was nice about it, a lot of them aren't," Clinton said.

Clinton then ranked the Israeli sub-national groups in order of his perception of their willingness to accept a peace deal. The "most pro-peace Jewish Israelis" are the Sabras, who he described as native-born Israelis whose roots there date back millennia, because they have the benefit of historical context. "They can imagine sharing a future."

Ashkenazi Jews who emigrated from Europe and have been in Israel for one or more generations are the next most supportive of a peace deal, Clinton said.

The "swing voters" are what Clinton called the "Moroccans": North African Jews who immigrated to Israel in the 1970s. He described them as right-of-center citizens who nevertheless want normal, stable lives.

"When they think peace is possible, they vote peace. When they think it's not, they vote for the toughest guys on the block," Clinton said.

Regarding the settlers, Clinton said that their numbers had grown so much since 2000 that their longstanding opposition to giving up their homes in exchange for peace might be more entrenched and therefore a bigger challenge than before.

"In 2000, you could get 97 percent of the settlers on 3 percent of the land. Today, you have to give almost 6 percent of the land to get 80 percent of the settlers," said Clinton. "There were 7,000 settlers in Gaza and it took 55,000 Israeli forces people to move. Somewhere between 50,000 and 60,000 settlers will have to be moved out of the West Bank."

Clinton spoke extensively about the positives and negatives he sees in the ongoing direct peace talks launched by the Obama administration.

"I'd say their chances are at least 50-50," Clinton said optimistically.

The Palestinians' internal divisions, specifically the lack of Palestinian control over the Gaza Strip, present another problem, but one that a peace deal could help solve, he suggested.

"That makes it more difficult for Prime Minister [Benjamin] Netanyahu to make a deal and to wonder what a deal means," he said. But if there's a deal on the table, that would create enough pressure for an election in Gaza that President Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah party would win, Clinton argued.

"I believe if there were an election in Gaza today, Fatah would win because of the greater prosperity and the greater security produced under Abbas and Fayyad," Clinton said, adding that Fatah only lost in Gaza elections because of intra-party faction fighting that saw many candidates run against others in their own party.

There are some factors that point to improved conditions for making a peace deal as compared to 2000, said Clinton. He pointed to the fact that two-thirds of Israelis trust Netanyahu to make a peace deal, more than when Ehud Barak was negotiating, according to Clinton. Also, he said that he has faith that the current Palestinian Authority leadership is serious about reaching a settlement.

"They won't do what Arafat did, they won't get up to the deal and lose their nerve. They know what the future looks like."

In the long term, Israelis will face increased pressures, Clinton said. Because of the high Palestinian birth rate, Israel will become a Palestinian-majority state sometime in the next 30 years, if it does not give up the West Bank.

"Then they will have to decide either to be a Jewish state or a democracy, but they cannot be both. They don't want to face that. They don't want to face not only the international legitimacy question but also the internal identity crisis."

Moreover, Clinton said, Hamas militants will soon have military technology that will allow their relatively low-damage attacks on Israeli population centers to have greater accuracy and lethality.

"It's just a matter of time before the rockets have a GPS system on ‘em and a few rockets will kill a whole lot of people. Netanyahu understands that," said Clinton.

He also said that Arab leaders were on board with Middle East peace now more than ever, partly because they now have Iran as a boogeyman to deflect attention from their unpopular policies.

"They think they've got a real enemy in Iran now, so they don't need a faux enemy in Israel to keep people in the street directed at somebody besides them."

Before pontificating on the peace process, Clinton seemed to realize he was stepping into some sensitive territory, but decided to proceed nonetheless.

"I wouldn't say too much about this if Hillary weren't Secretary of State and in charge of these negotiations, so I'm darned sure not going to say too much now," he said, before going in depth on the issue for over 10 minutes.

Josh Rogin / Foreign Policy
cehe4ka: (Israel)
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/09/21/bill_clinton_russian_immigrants_and_settlers_obstacles_to_mideast_peace

Russian immigrants to Israel have emerged as a central obstacle to achieving a Middle East peace deal, according to former President Bill Clinton. He voiced fears that the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), which increasingly consists of soldiers hailing from this community, might not be fully willing to oppose Israeli settlers as a result.

In a roundtable with reporters during his Clinton Global Initiative conference in New York, Clinton made his most extensive remarks on the Israeli-Palestinian peace process that his wife, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, is spearheading.

"An increasing number of the young people in the IDF are the children of Russians and settlers, the hardest-core people against a division of the land. This presents a staggering problem," Clinton said. "It's a different Israel. 16 percent of Israelis speak Russian."

According to Clinton, the Russian immigrant population in Israel is the group least interested in striking a peace deal with the Palestinians. "They've just got there, it's their country, they've made a commitment to the future there," Clinton said. "They can't imagine any historical or other claims that would justify dividing it."

To illustrate his view on the Russian immigrant community, Clinton related a conversation he had with Natan Sharansky, the former Soviet dissident turned Israeli parliamentarian, who he said was the only Israeli minister to reject the comprehensive peace agreement Clinton proposed at the Camp David Summit in 2000. The proposal was eventually rejected by Palestinian President Yasser Arafat.

"I said, ‘Natan, what is the deal [about not supporting the peace deal],'" Clinton recalled. "He said, ‘I can't vote for this, I'm Russian... I come from one of the biggest countries in the world to one of the smallest. You want me to cut it in half. No, thank you.'"

Clinton responded, "Don't give me this, you came here from a jail cell. It's a lot bigger than your jail cell."

Clinton used the anecdote to explain the Russian immigrant population's attitude toward a land-for- peace deal with the Palestinians. "[Sharansky] was nice about it, a lot of them aren't," Clinton said.

Clinton then ranked the Israeli sub-national groups in order of his perception of their willingness to accept a peace deal. The "most pro-peace Jewish Israelis" are the Sabras, who he described as native-born Israelis whose roots there date back millennia, because they have the benefit of historical context. "They can imagine sharing a future."

Ashkenazi Jews who emigrated from Europe and have been in Israel for one or more generations are the next most supportive of a peace deal, Clinton said.

The "swing voters" are what Clinton called the "Moroccans": North African Jews who immigrated to Israel in the 1970s. He described them as right-of-center citizens who nevertheless want normal, stable lives.

"When they think peace is possible, they vote peace. When they think it's not, they vote for the toughest guys on the block," Clinton said.

Regarding the settlers, Clinton said that their numbers had grown so much since 2000 that their longstanding opposition to giving up their homes in exchange for peace might be more entrenched and therefore a bigger challenge than before.

"In 2000, you could get 97 percent of the settlers on 3 percent of the land. Today, you have to give almost 6 percent of the land to get 80 percent of the settlers," said Clinton. "There were 7,000 settlers in Gaza and it took 55,000 Israeli forces people to move. Somewhere between 50,000 and 60,000 settlers will have to be moved out of the West Bank."

Clinton spoke extensively about the positives and negatives he sees in the ongoing direct peace talks launched by the Obama administration.

"I'd say their chances are at least 50-50," Clinton said optimistically.

The Palestinians' internal divisions, specifically the lack of Palestinian control over the Gaza Strip, present another problem, but one that a peace deal could help solve, he suggested.

"That makes it more difficult for Prime Minister [Benjamin] Netanyahu to make a deal and to wonder what a deal means," he said. But if there's a deal on the table, that would create enough pressure for an election in Gaza that President Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah party would win, Clinton argued.

"I believe if there were an election in Gaza today, Fatah would win because of the greater prosperity and the greater security produced under Abbas and Fayyad," Clinton said, adding that Fatah only lost in Gaza elections because of intra-party faction fighting that saw many candidates run against others in their own party.

There are some factors that point to improved conditions for making a peace deal as compared to 2000, said Clinton. He pointed to the fact that two-thirds of Israelis trust Netanyahu to make a peace deal, more than when Ehud Barak was negotiating, according to Clinton. Also, he said that he has faith that the current Palestinian Authority leadership is serious about reaching a settlement.

"They won't do what Arafat did, they won't get up to the deal and lose their nerve. They know what the future looks like."

In the long term, Israelis will face increased pressures, Clinton said. Because of the high Palestinian birth rate, Israel will become a Palestinian-majority state sometime in the next 30 years, if it does not give up the West Bank.

"Then they will have to decide either to be a Jewish state or a democracy, but they cannot be both. They don't want to face that. They don't want to face not only the international legitimacy question but also the internal identity crisis."

Moreover, Clinton said, Hamas militants will soon have military technology that will allow their relatively low-damage attacks on Israeli population centers to have greater accuracy and lethality.

"It's just a matter of time before the rockets have a GPS system on ‘em and a few rockets will kill a whole lot of people. Netanyahu understands that," said Clinton.

He also said that Arab leaders were on board with Middle East peace now more than ever, partly because they now have Iran as a boogeyman to deflect attention from their unpopular policies.

"They think they've got a real enemy in Iran now, so they don't need a faux enemy in Israel to keep people in the street directed at somebody besides them."

Before pontificating on the peace process, Clinton seemed to realize he was stepping into some sensitive territory, but decided to proceed nonetheless.

"I wouldn't say too much about this if Hillary weren't Secretary of State and in charge of these negotiations, so I'm darned sure not going to say too much now," he said, before going in depth on the issue for over 10 minutes.

Josh Rogin / Foreign Policy
cehe4ka: (Israel)
Не могу вспомнить где моя старая мезуза, так и не повесил её в нашей квартире, но хочу развесить мезузы в доме, причин на это много.

В общем, кто-то знает нормальных продавцов мезуз через интернет или в Филаделфии/Нью Йорке, а то качество у многих сомнительное и цены начинаются от $40, а надо мне их минимум 3.

Если у кого-то есть оказия из Израиля, свисните.
cehe4ka: (Israel)
Не могу вспомнить где моя старая мезуза, так и не повесил её в нашей квартире, но хочу развесить мезузы в доме, причин на это много.

В общем, кто-то знает нормальных продавцов мезуз через интернет или в Филаделфии/Нью Йорке, а то качество у многих сомнительное и цены начинаются от $40, а надо мне их минимум 3.

Если у кого-то есть оказия из Израиля, свисните.
cehe4ka: (Israel)
A Jewish mother walks her son to the school bus corner on his first day of kindergarten.

"Behave, my Bubaleh".

"Take good care of yourself and think about your mother, Tataleh!

Come right back home, Schein Kindaleh.

Your Mommy loves you, my Ketsaleh!"

At the end of the day she runs to her son and hugs him.

"So what did my Pupaleh learn on his first day of school?"

The boy answers, "I learned my name is Jerry."
cehe4ka: (Israel)
A Jewish mother walks her son to the school bus corner on his first day of kindergarten.

"Behave, my Bubaleh".

"Take good care of yourself and think about your mother, Tataleh!

Come right back home, Schein Kindaleh.

Your Mommy loves you, my Ketsaleh!"

At the end of the day she runs to her son and hugs him.

"So what did my Pupaleh learn on his first day of school?"

The boy answers, "I learned my name is Jerry."
cehe4ka: (Israel)
So the leader of the Green party tried to break a known naval blockade and was detained by Israeli forces. Nothing to make it to the headlines of CNN, FOX, ABC or MSNBC. This lack of interest might be due to the fact that Israel did not show any intention of holding the crew for any long period of time or diverting the humanitarian goods that the ship was trying to smuggle into Gaza strip.

Some, of course decided that this is a great matter and are organizing demonstrations in order to get the smugglers out of Israeli hands. They also allege that Israel was involved in piracy, which is understandable, it is a new unifying word that shows disgust with any other side to a naval conflict. Just as a note, UN does not recognize it as piracy per their definitions.

As I read the few articles on that matter, I could not stop being amazed at the utter idiocy of the smugglers and their supporters.

The name of the boat in news media per the "Free Gaza Movement" is "Spirit of Humanity". Officially the name of the boat is "Arion". Normally such confusion is reserved for pirate and smuggling ships in order to illegally allude maritime laws. I checked the meaning of Arion in order to avoid losses in translation, so here is something off Google.

Arion:
[Greek heroic] Singer and poet of Methymna on Lesbos. He stayed for a long period of time at the court of Periander in Corinth. When he traveled from there to Italy, the sailors of his ship decided to kill him in order to steal his possessions. Arion, noticing the peril he was one, requested to sing one final song. He moved to the stem and sang his most beautiful song, after which his threw himself into the sea. A dolphin, attracted by his voice, took Arion upon his back and brought him safely to the Cape Taenarum, the southernmost point of the Peloponnesus. From there he traveled back to Periander where his ship arrived some time later. The sailors told the story that Arion had stayed behind in Italy, but they were exposed through the sudden appearance of Arion. Arion is also the name of the lightning-fast and immortal horse of Adrastus.


Former U.S. lawmaker and Green Party leader Cynthia McKinney, a longtime activist for the Palestinians, says her boat, the Spirit of Humanity, was carrying medical supplies, cement, olive trees and children's toys to Gaza when it was seized by an Israeli navy ship.

All is good, but I start wondering if Green Party of today got confused in green colored flags of the world.

"This is an outrageous violation of international law against us," said McKinney. "Our boat was not in Israeli waters and we were on a human rights mission to the Gaza Strip. President Obama just told Israel to let in humanitarian and reconstruction supplies, and that's exactly what we tried to do. We're asking the international community to demand our release so we can resume our journey."

Well where they trying to let the goods in or where they taking the goods... In any case, did she forget that Israel is a sovereign country and President Obama has no legal rights over Israel? And that Gaza is still an Israeli territory, since no Palestinian would take that once flourishing prime piece of coastal real estate and make it into a sovereign country.

x-posted here
cehe4ka: (Israel)
So the leader of the Green party tried to break a known naval blockade and was detained by Israeli forces. Nothing to make it to the headlines of CNN, FOX, ABC or MSNBC. This lack of interest might be due to the fact that Israel did not show any intention of holding the crew for any long period of time or diverting the humanitarian goods that the ship was trying to smuggle into Gaza strip.

Some, of course decided that this is a great matter and are organizing demonstrations in order to get the smugglers out of Israeli hands. They also allege that Israel was involved in piracy, which is understandable, it is a new unifying word that shows disgust with any other side to a naval conflict. Just as a note, UN does not recognize it as piracy per their definitions.

As I read the few articles on that matter, I could not stop being amazed at the utter idiocy of the smugglers and their supporters.

The name of the boat in news media per the "Free Gaza Movement" is "Spirit of Humanity". Officially the name of the boat is "Arion". Normally such confusion is reserved for pirate and smuggling ships in order to illegally allude maritime laws. I checked the meaning of Arion in order to avoid losses in translation, so here is something off Google.

Arion:
[Greek heroic] Singer and poet of Methymna on Lesbos. He stayed for a long period of time at the court of Periander in Corinth. When he traveled from there to Italy, the sailors of his ship decided to kill him in order to steal his possessions. Arion, noticing the peril he was one, requested to sing one final song. He moved to the stem and sang his most beautiful song, after which his threw himself into the sea. A dolphin, attracted by his voice, took Arion upon his back and brought him safely to the Cape Taenarum, the southernmost point of the Peloponnesus. From there he traveled back to Periander where his ship arrived some time later. The sailors told the story that Arion had stayed behind in Italy, but they were exposed through the sudden appearance of Arion. Arion is also the name of the lightning-fast and immortal horse of Adrastus.


Former U.S. lawmaker and Green Party leader Cynthia McKinney, a longtime activist for the Palestinians, says her boat, the Spirit of Humanity, was carrying medical supplies, cement, olive trees and children's toys to Gaza when it was seized by an Israeli navy ship.

All is good, but I start wondering if Green Party of today got confused in green colored flags of the world.

"This is an outrageous violation of international law against us," said McKinney. "Our boat was not in Israeli waters and we were on a human rights mission to the Gaza Strip. President Obama just told Israel to let in humanitarian and reconstruction supplies, and that's exactly what we tried to do. We're asking the international community to demand our release so we can resume our journey."

Well where they trying to let the goods in or where they taking the goods... In any case, did she forget that Israel is a sovereign country and President Obama has no legal rights over Israel? And that Gaza is still an Israeli territory, since no Palestinian would take that once flourishing prime piece of coastal real estate and make it into a sovereign country.

x-posted here
cehe4ka: (Israel)
Губерман в интервью на радио "Эхо Москвы" так ответил на вопрос,
чем кончится арабо-израильский конфликт:
"Есть две версии.
Одна - реалистическая, что вмешается Господь Бог.
Вторая - фантастическая - что мы сможем договориться..."
cehe4ka: (Israel)
Губерман в интервью на радио "Эхо Москвы" так ответил на вопрос,
чем кончится арабо-израильский конфликт:
"Есть две версии.
Одна - реалистическая, что вмешается Господь Бог.
Вторая - фантастическая - что мы сможем договориться..."
cehe4ka: (alchemy)
“I have to admire the residents of Iroquois territory for assuming that they have a right to determine where Jews should live in Jerusalem.”

State Dept.: Obama’s Demands To Stop West Bank Expansion Includes Jerusalem

By David Bedein, Middle East Correspondent
Friday, May 29, 2009
Jerusalem — Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has issued an unprecedented statement clarifying President Barack Obama’s demands for Israel to stop expanding Jewish communities in areas it acquired following the 1967 Six-Day War, including Jerusalem.

The statement, issued Wednesday, applies to the area known in Israel by their Biblical names, Judea and Samaria, and as the West Bank by the international community.

There are now 128 Jewish communities in these areas, with a population of almost 300,000 Jews.

Mrs. Clinton explained President Obama demands that there should be no expansion in these communities for the purpose of “natural growth.”

That would include an American demand to stop construction of kindergartens, schools and housing for young couples.

“West Bank maps” issued by the United Nations also include 18 Jewish neighborhoods inside the municipal boundaries of Jerusalem, in areas inside the city that Israel formally annexed after the 1967 war.

One of the Jerusalem neighborhoods resettled by Jews after the 1967 war is the Old City of Jerusalem, which hosts the Temple Mount, the holiest place in the world to the Jewish people.

Ms. Clinton’s press spokesman was asked if President Obama’s demand to halt expansion of “West Bank Jewish communities” included a demand to stop expansion of Jewish neighborhoods in Jerusalem.

The answer was affirmative. The U.S. State Department demands that Israel limit Jewish growth in these areas of Jerusalem, “whose status remains to be determined” in negotiations.

Israeli Government Press Director Daniel Seamen reacted to this Obama administration statement by saying: “I have to admire the residents of Iroquois territory for assuming that they have a right to determine where Jews should live in Jerusalem.”

David Bedein can be reached at bedein@thebulletin.us
cehe4ka: (alchemy)
“I have to admire the residents of Iroquois territory for assuming that they have a right to determine where Jews should live in Jerusalem.”

State Dept.: Obama’s Demands To Stop West Bank Expansion Includes Jerusalem

By David Bedein, Middle East Correspondent
Friday, May 29, 2009
Jerusalem — Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has issued an unprecedented statement clarifying President Barack Obama’s demands for Israel to stop expanding Jewish communities in areas it acquired following the 1967 Six-Day War, including Jerusalem.

The statement, issued Wednesday, applies to the area known in Israel by their Biblical names, Judea and Samaria, and as the West Bank by the international community.

There are now 128 Jewish communities in these areas, with a population of almost 300,000 Jews.

Mrs. Clinton explained President Obama demands that there should be no expansion in these communities for the purpose of “natural growth.”

That would include an American demand to stop construction of kindergartens, schools and housing for young couples.

“West Bank maps” issued by the United Nations also include 18 Jewish neighborhoods inside the municipal boundaries of Jerusalem, in areas inside the city that Israel formally annexed after the 1967 war.

One of the Jerusalem neighborhoods resettled by Jews after the 1967 war is the Old City of Jerusalem, which hosts the Temple Mount, the holiest place in the world to the Jewish people.

Ms. Clinton’s press spokesman was asked if President Obama’s demand to halt expansion of “West Bank Jewish communities” included a demand to stop expansion of Jewish neighborhoods in Jerusalem.

The answer was affirmative. The U.S. State Department demands that Israel limit Jewish growth in these areas of Jerusalem, “whose status remains to be determined” in negotiations.

Israeli Government Press Director Daniel Seamen reacted to this Obama administration statement by saying: “I have to admire the residents of Iroquois territory for assuming that they have a right to determine where Jews should live in Jerusalem.”

David Bedein can be reached at bedein@thebulletin.us

via [livejournal.com profile] merig00

Jun. 8th, 2009 10:58 am
cehe4ka: (Israel)
Израильская полиция. Идет допрос мужчины, который, по словам свидетелей, выкрикивал подозрительные лозунги. Мужик оправдывается:
– Честное слово, никакой я не террорист-смертник! И я вовсе не кричал, что хочу немедленно взорваться, чтобы потом переспать с 72 гуриями! Я просто сказал: "Умираю – хочу трахаться!""

via [livejournal.com profile] merig00

Jun. 8th, 2009 10:58 am
cehe4ka: (Israel)
Израильская полиция. Идет допрос мужчины, который, по словам свидетелей, выкрикивал подозрительные лозунги. Мужик оправдывается:
– Честное слово, никакой я не террорист-смертник! И я вовсе не кричал, что хочу немедленно взорваться, чтобы потом переспать с 72 гуриями! Я просто сказал: "Умираю – хочу трахаться!""
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Герб очень даже ничего. Тигр - благородное и сильное животное.

А теперь посмотрим флаг и название региона с такой геральдикой

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